@SlapHappy said:
So my iPhone is a high-tech harassment tool used by evil companies, scamming con-men, and my precious wife to make sure I find no peace, anywhere.
If you put it that way, it sounds like it’s much more than an ipod, a phone and an internet communicator for you 😀 I can see why you pay more!
But yeah, even though you get all the tech at a much lower price than us Europeans, the health care and phone bills do more than cancel that out! 😬
Here's how many plays on each service it would take to get to 20 bucks as well as how many it would take to get to $17,664 which is the US minimum wage. YIKES
Service
$ Per Play
Plays to reach $20
Plays to reach $17,664
Napster
$0.01900
1053
928,632
Tidal
$0.01250
1600
1,411,520
Apple Music
$0.00735
2721
2,400,544
Google Play Music
$0.00676
2959
2,610,059
Deezer
$0.00640
3125
2,756,875
Spotify
$0.00437
4577
4,037,529
Amazon
$0.00402
4975
4,389,055
Pandora
$0.00133
15038
13,266,165
YouTube
$0.00069
28986
25,571,014
For our EU homies... a few more minutes in Excel to extrapolate a few of the services out for various EU minimum wages. I converted the EUR totals to USD at 1.12 (today's rate, according to Skynet).
For the nerdy/willing: $('table > tbody > tr > td').css('border', '1px solid #555'); in your browser's console make those tables a little easier to read by adding some borders.
hm, very "nice" .. minimal wage here in Slovakia is almost lowest in whole EU ..
Btw. from first tab it looks like Napster and Tidal are best options, but for real numbers it would be good to see also average numbers of plays for each of those services .. i guess it's lot more easyd to get let's say 1000 plays on youtube than on napster or tidal, simply because there is lot smaller number of users ...
Interesting figures.
So strategically it looks like a rapper living in Bulgaria could possibly maybe with luck make some money, guessing that lowest minimum wage also equates to lowest cost of living.
@dendy said:
hm, very "nice" .. minimal wage here in Slovakia is almost lowest in whole EU ..
Except for the ones (like Finland) which don’t even have minimum wage! Luxembourg seems like a nice summer job location 😀 a few thousand more and you have the average wage in Finland.
This is a very eye-opening chart btw @Will thanks!
@dendy said:
hm, very "nice" .. minimal wage here in Slovakia is almost lowest in whole EU ..
Btw. from first tab it looks like Napster and Tidal are best options, but for real numbers it would be good to see also average numbers of plays for each of those services .. i guess it's lot more easyd to get let's say 1000 plays on youtube than on napster or tidal, simply because there is lot smaller number of users ...
Interesting question. Can find data on total number of users but having trouble finding data on average monthly streams per service.
Couple more interesting stream related reads (including questioning per-stream payout vs volume, etc):
And just to add to the bit of the discussion about distrbuting to streaming services I have just discovered the Soundcloud Pro has a beta feature to do this (it would cost £85 per year billed annually) and you keep 100% of royalities. See (https://checkout.soundcloud.com/pro?ref=t906). Not bad if you make enough in royalties to cover costs given that you get to monetise your plays on Soundcloud as well, plus unlimited Souncloud storage. Still no good for me and my tiny number of plays
It seems a very cool program but there's one bit to keep small timers like me out:
Our direct monetization program, SoundCloud Premier, is available at no additional cost to all eligible Pro and Pro Unlimited subscribers who are 18 years of age or older, creators of original music, have zero copyright strikes, and at least 1,000 monetizable track plays.
Hi chaps. As I was reading throughout this topic I come to one conclusion! We have to stop playing fair with those giants;)
I got idea but not sure how well it can be executed. So here it goes.
First we need to make group on FB (or more) about independent music production where all music posted would be on streaming services. Pretty much like this topic but maybe with general music production.
Then there would be some people responsible for creating playlists for different streaming service (higher pay ones are better obviously but not everyone has subscription to all so each would need playlist)
then distribute it through distrokid for 20dollars (I would encourage to make few 1min songs)
And after that, everybody in group/forums wherever all of us would come from would listen that playlist on services available to them Plus Every night you go sleep you put that playlist on on silent(on your WiFi:) to generate some pocket money to fellow musician. Now if average song time duration is 4 min, then I 1h that’s 15 songs which is 120 per 8h sleep(I do sleep less thou:D) and if for this purpose we make songs no longer than 1min then that’s 480 streams I can generate every night without issue:DDD and when we get plenty of people to jump on bandwagon, let’s say 1k after some time that should generate some money in month or year! It would all depend on people thou, I don’t have any music anywhere apart of YT now but in future especially if it cost 20per year:) let me know what do you think people:D
anyway I got Apple Music so if anybody got tunes there drop line in here I’ll start doing it and you can post feedback:P also if someone has distrokid(I hope is that one which cost 20 p/y) if you could try release 1min tune that would be great to try it
Last thing anybody knows if makes any difference if I listen let’s say playlist of 20dongs on repeat? Stream is stream isn’t it? So even if I play that playlist 5 times it should be like 100 songs played?? Or does they count multiple streams of one tune from one listener as one stream?
@Cray23 It's generally more work than it's worth to try and game the streaming services. I read an article about someone experimenting with what was basically a click farm approach, using dozens of devices dedicated to playing one short song on various streaming platforms...long story short, the work to reward ratio is similar to finding and recycling aluminum cans.
There was a band that released an album of silence a few years ago and gamed Spotify for about $40,000 USD, but a few months later Spotify implemented measures to prevent that from happening again.
All that said, I still leave an old phone streaming my albums overnight every now and then. It may be anecdotal, but it appears from Spotify stats that my songs get placed on a higher percentage of algorithmic playlists in the weeks I do that. It jumps from about 4% of my listens to 50% or more for about a week. My thinking is that it recommends my tunes to people who listen to artists similar to those in my favorites. I may be completely wrong though, and I only make an average of $2.38 total per month from my music on all streaming services combined. The bigger money is in Bandcamp and iTunes sales.
In the end, owning all your masters and publishing rights and seeking a sync deal is probably a more worthwhile endeavor than hopefully tricking an algorithm that's always being updated and modified.
That's my 2 cents (or a Napster stream worth) anyway.
@3sleeves yep I guess I was just going by that chart numbers and had little idea anyway I wouldn’t call it work after playlist is done it’s just plain repeat till morning and If you play all month long at night for 8h that’s 21.85 in British pounds and my subscription cost 9.99 which I use anyway so extra work is just make playlist and make sure when you go sleep put it on charge and tap play. But it won’t work for my releases I guess hence that bandwagon:DDD
Never mind me anyway I was just bored at work plotting some music industry sabotage :DDD
And if it works like you said on Spotify, that’s great for propagating isn’t it. Definitely good move.
@3sleeves I’ve been listening to your work which I found on the playlist, and I must say: Bloody amazing mate!!! So down scaled and lo fi, but still so damn funky!! So slick but yet so dirty... Just effing brilliant!
So just wanted to say big up to you sir. Well, well done!! 👍👍👍
@Will said:
It seems a very cool program but there's one bit to keep small timers like me out:
Our direct monetization program, SoundCloud Premier, is available at no additional cost to all eligible Pro and Pro Unlimited subscribers who are 18 years of age or older, creators of original music, have zero copyright strikes, and at least 1,000 monetizable track plays.
there is also other point of view - maybe even if you have small amount of plays on SC, it doesn't mean you cannot get LOT more on itunes, spotify and other big streaming network.. it's simply matter of higher probabilty that somebody founds randomly you musis and then will share it - because there is lot more users...
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...and you pay for that...
Yeah....
Cheaper than alimony...
If you put it that way, it sounds like it’s much more than an ipod, a phone and an internet communicator for you 😀 I can see why you pay more!
But yeah, even though you get all the tech at a much lower price than us Europeans, the health care and phone bills do more than cancel that out! 😬
Got slightly updated rates from https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/12/25/streaming-music-services-pay-2019/
Here's how many plays on each service it would take to get to 20 bucks as well as how many it would take to get to $17,664 which is the US minimum wage. YIKES
For our EU homies... a few more minutes in Excel to extrapolate a few of the services out for various EU minimum wages. I converted the EUR totals to USD at 1.12 (today's rate, according to Skynet).
Wages from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_minimum_wage. Note they list them per month. I just multiplied that by 12.
For the nerdy/willing:
$('table > tbody > tr > td').css('border', '1px solid #555');in your browser's console make those tables a little easier to read by adding some borders.hm, very "nice" .. minimal wage here in Slovakia is almost lowest in whole EU ..
Btw. from first tab it looks like Napster and Tidal are best options, but for real numbers it would be good to see also average numbers of plays for each of those services .. i guess it's lot more easyd to get let's say 1000 plays on youtube than on napster or tidal, simply because there is lot smaller number of users ...
Btw2. thanks for creating table per country !!
Interesting figures.
So strategically it looks like a rapper living in Bulgaria could possibly maybe with luck make some money, guessing that lowest minimum wage also equates to lowest cost of living.
Except for the ones (like Finland) which don’t even have minimum wage! Luxembourg seems like a nice summer job location 😀 a few thousand more and you have the average wage in Finland.
This is a very eye-opening chart btw @Will thanks!
Interesting question. Can find data on total number of users but having trouble finding data on average monthly streams per service.
Couple more interesting stream related reads (including questioning per-stream payout vs volume, etc):
And just to add to the bit of the discussion about distrbuting to streaming services I have just discovered the Soundcloud Pro has a beta feature to do this (it would cost £85 per year billed annually) and you keep 100% of royalities. See (https://checkout.soundcloud.com/pro?ref=t906). Not bad if you make enough in royalties to cover costs given that you get to monetise your plays on Soundcloud as well, plus unlimited Souncloud storage. Still no good for me and my tiny number of plays
wow thanks for info ! Will try it later because i use SC PRO plan
It seems a very cool program but there's one bit to keep small timers like me out:
From https://blog.soundcloud.com/2019/02/19/beta-release-of-soundcloud-premier-distribution/
@dendy @Stiksi @SlapHappy @Will @NumptyDumppty @anickt
Hi chaps. As I was reading throughout this topic I come to one conclusion! We have to stop playing fair with those giants;)
I got idea but not sure how well it can be executed. So here it goes.
First we need to make group on FB (or more) about independent music production where all music posted would be on streaming services. Pretty much like this topic but maybe with general music production.
Then there would be some people responsible for creating playlists for different streaming service (higher pay ones are better obviously but not everyone has subscription to all so each would need playlist)
then distribute it through distrokid for 20dollars (I would encourage to make few 1min songs)
And after that, everybody in group/forums wherever all of us would come from would listen that playlist on services available to them Plus Every night you go sleep you put that playlist on on silent(on your WiFi:) to generate some pocket money to fellow musician. Now if average song time duration is 4 min, then I 1h that’s 15 songs which is 120 per 8h sleep(I do sleep less thou:D) and if for this purpose we make songs no longer than 1min then that’s 480 streams I can generate every night without issue:DDD and when we get plenty of people to jump on bandwagon, let’s say 1k after some time that should generate some money in month or year! It would all depend on people thou, I don’t have any music anywhere apart of YT now but in future especially if it cost 20per year:) let me know what do you think people:D
anyway I got Apple Music so if anybody got tunes there drop line in here I’ll start doing it and you can post feedback:P also if someone has distrokid(I hope is that one which cost 20 p/y) if you could try release 1min tune that would be great to try it
Last thing anybody knows if makes any difference if I listen let’s say playlist of 20dongs on repeat? Stream is stream isn’t it? So even if I play that playlist 5 times it should be like 100 songs played?? Or does they count multiple streams of one tune from one listener as one stream?
Bloody hell it did consume all my break time:DDD
It does sound bit like crypto mining:DDD 😂
@Cray23 It's generally more work than it's worth to try and game the streaming services. I read an article about someone experimenting with what was basically a click farm approach, using dozens of devices dedicated to playing one short song on various streaming platforms...long story short, the work to reward ratio is similar to finding and recycling aluminum cans.
There was a band that released an album of silence a few years ago and gamed Spotify for about $40,000 USD, but a few months later Spotify implemented measures to prevent that from happening again.
All that said, I still leave an old phone streaming my albums overnight every now and then. It may be anecdotal, but it appears from Spotify stats that my songs get placed on a higher percentage of algorithmic playlists in the weeks I do that. It jumps from about 4% of my listens to 50% or more for about a week. My thinking is that it recommends my tunes to people who listen to artists similar to those in my favorites. I may be completely wrong though, and I only make an average of $2.38 total per month from my music on all streaming services combined. The bigger money is in Bandcamp and iTunes sales.
In the end, owning all your masters and publishing rights and seeking a sync deal is probably a more worthwhile endeavor than hopefully tricking an algorithm that's always being updated and modified.
That's my 2 cents (or a Napster stream worth) anyway.
brilliant
@3sleeves yep I guess I was just going by that chart numbers and had little idea
anyway I wouldn’t call it work after playlist is done it’s just plain repeat till morning and If you play all month long at night for 8h that’s 21.85 in British pounds and my subscription cost 9.99 which I use anyway so extra work is just make playlist and make sure when you go sleep put it on charge and tap play. But it won’t work for my releases I guess hence that bandwagon:DDD
Never mind me anyway I was just bored at work plotting some music industry sabotage :DDD
And if it works like you said on Spotify, that’s great for propagating isn’t it. Definitely good move.
@3sleeves I’ve been listening to your work which I found on the playlist, and I must say: Bloody amazing mate!!! So down scaled and lo fi, but still so damn funky!! So slick but yet so dirty... Just effing brilliant!
So just wanted to say big up to you sir. Well, well done!! 👍👍👍
This has to be per track… I mean even I have something like close to 7000 plays from 2010 😂 or is the ”monetizable” some kind of trap?
there is also other point of view - maybe even if you have small amount of plays on SC, it doesn't mean you cannot get LOT more on itunes, spotify and other big streaming network.. it's simply matter of higher probabilty that somebody founds randomly you musis and then will share it - because there is lot more users...
btw where incan found this SC feature ? I have PRO plan active but cannot found it on SC site..
First off...
my music has to suck less.
😜
Invite only.
nah, bass tards
In the meantime my most popular song has reached 200.000 plays on Spotify!
Big congrats on that achievement! I would definitely celebrate that milestone. Well done;)
holy shit. That's a gold record, no?
Link?
Look harder
Holy crap!! That’s awesome!! Congrats!!
Btw my latest EP went live if you want to include a song or two in the playlist. 😜😜
https://ampl.ink/gGyMN