@DrRinkel said:
Okay, now I've made a track where I trigger the sample in Obsidian via the Slate pads. Now it is not possible to use the effects of Slate. Does anyone have a trick to do that? Furthermore, I wondered whether an audio effect on a track, or on the MAIN MIX, can be automated?
You wouldn’t use the Slate FX, you would use the obsidian FX. All of the built-in effects can be automated I believe, just by going into record and tweaking the effect parameter that you want to record.
@DrRinkel said:
My real question is if it is possible to record that automation? I know it's possible to record the automation from a Slate effect but I can't find out how to record the automation of an audio effect that I have put on a track of the MAIN MIX.
Have you enabled automation record on the channel?
@DrRinkel said:
My real question is if it is possible to record that automation? I know it's possible to record the automation from a Slate effect but I can't find out how to record the automation of an audio effect that I have put on a track of the MAIN MIX.
Wanting to make sure I fully I understand the question, so I apologize in advance for being dense...
Are you saying you want to:
Live record it while you tweak a dial
Draw in the automation
Or both?
Don't apologize, I find it very nice that my questions are answered so quickly. To answer your question; I actually want both.
@DrRinkel said:
My real question is if it is possible to record that automation? I know it's possible to record the automation from a Slate effect but I can't find out how to record the automation of an audio effect that I have put on a track of the MAIN MIX.
Have you enabled automation record on the channel?
Nope, I had not done that yet. In this way it is possible to record the automation. However, I can not see what exactly is automated in time. That is not visible in the song mode?
@DrRinkel said:
Okay, WoW, I feel really stupid now. Thank you very much, this was exactly what I was looking for.
Don't feel stupid. It's a tricky one. Indeed, the next version of NS will have WRITE (big red W) enabled for all tracks in the default project template. If you want this now, create a new project, enable W on all tracks and then save it to the templates folder as default.prj.
@DrRinkel said:
Okay, WoW, I feel really stupid now. Thank you very much, this was exactly what I was looking for.
Don't feel stupid. It's a tricky one. Indeed, the next version of NS will have WRITE (big red W) enabled for all tracks in the default project template. If you want this now, create a new project, enable W on all tracks and then save it to the templates folder as default.prj.
Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
@richardyot said:
Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
only if you are in record mode W switch just enables recordig of track automation IF you are in recording mode, not during normal playback.
@richardyot said:
Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
only if you are in record mode W switch just enables recordig of track automation IF you are in recording mode, not during normal playback.
As in recording MIDI/Audio?
I thought the way this kind of automation normally works is that enabling the W button records the automation (even if you are just in playback mode) and the R button toggles the automation on or off, at least that's how it normally works.
For example here is how it works in Auria, I'm pretty sure this is the standard way it works in most DAWs:
@richardyot said:
Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
only if you are in record mode W switch just enables recordig of track automation IF you are in recording mode, not during normal playback.
As in recording MIDI/Audio?
I thought the way this kind of automation normally works is that enabling the W button records the automation (even if you are just in playback mode) and the R button toggles the automation on or off, at least that's how it normally works.
For example here is how it works in Auria, I'm pretty sure this is the standard way it works in most DAWs:
Yes, pressing write enables writing mixer automation to that track. But the rec button still needs to be pressed to actually write anything, just pressing play isn’t enough. This is the same as in Ableton Live at least, can’t really comment on other DAWs.
OK I guess it's just a different way of doing things (just a different convention). It seems kind of redundant though, because the whole point of the W button is to record the automation, so having to actually then press the main record button as well seems unnecessary.
it's different in various DAWs... dor example in Cubasis it works like @richardyot said, you don't need hit record itself, just "W" - which is in my opinion confusing because i would expect that until i don't explicitly hit "record" nothinh is recorded (midi, audio, automations)
In NS it's this way (nothing is recorded untí you really don't hit "record" - red "W" does same thing as arming for recording in track header in sequemcer)..
additionally when you hit record you see small red circle near all automatable params, and in case there is already recorded some automation this circle is filled..
i'm not 100% sure but i think in reaper it's same like Live (or NS)
@dendy said:
it's different in various DAWs... dor example in Cubasis it works like @richardyot said, you don't need hit record itself, just "W" - which is in my opinion confusing because i would expect that until i don't explicitly hit "record" nothinh is recorded (midi, audio, automations)
In NS it's this way.. additionally when you hit record you see small red circle near all automatable params, and in case there is already recorded some automation this circle is filled..
Well I think once audio tracks arrive it's potentially going to be a real can of worms. If you have an audio track armed, and press record to record some automation, it's going to be a mess. That's why most DAWs do it the way Auria does it, just use the W button to record automation without needing to press the main record button as well.
I like the way it is set up currently: must press Rec before anything is recorded.
If I am not mistaken, having the track armed for recording automation by engaging ‘W’ is necessary for drawing in automation. I wouldn’t want audio tracks to start recording when I want to draw in some smiley faces over my MIDI tracks.
@dendy said:
it's different in various DAWs... dor example in Cubasis it works like @richardyot said, you don't need hit record itself, just "W" - which is in my opinion confusing because i would expect that until i don't explicitly hit "record" nothinh is recorded (midi, audio, automations)
In NS it's this way.. additionally when you hit record you see small red circle near all automatable params, and in case there is already recorded some automation this circle is filled..
Well I think once audio tracks arrive it's potentially going to be a real can of worms. If you have an audio track armed, and press record to record some automation, it's going to be a mess. That's why most DAWs do it the way Auria does it, just use the W button to record automation without needing to press the main record button as well.
That's a real good point right there. I imagine we're going to have to explicitly arm audio tracks as well vs the "I'm open to it" way MIDI recording currently works.
@Will said:
Indeed, the next version of NS will have WRITE (big red W) enabled for all tracks in the default project template. If you want this now, create a new project, enable W on all tracks and then save it to the templates folder as default.prj.
Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
I actually think I was dead wrong here, sorry. I think the plan is for default.prj to R enabled by default so that drawn automation 'just works'. Sorry for the confusion!
@Will said:
Indeed, the next version of NS will have WRITE (big red W) enabled for all tracks in the default project template. If you want this now, create a new project, enable W on all tracks and then save it to the templates folder as default.prj.
Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
I actually think I was dead wrong here, sorry. I think the plan is for default.prj to R enabled by default so that drawn automation 'just works'. Sorry for the confusion!
I thought R was supposed to automatically be turned on when an automation point was added to a track. This would be my preferred way to handle it.
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You wouldn’t use the Slate FX, you would use the obsidian FX. All of the built-in effects can be automated I believe, just by going into record and tweaking the effect parameter that you want to record.
Have you enabled automation record on the channel?
Don't apologize, I find it very nice that my questions are answered so quickly. To answer your question; I actually want both.
Nope, I had not done that yet. In this way it is possible to record the automation. However, I can not see what exactly is automated in time. That is not visible in the song mode?
Thanks to all for helping me out!
So on the channel view, click the little automation icon in the upper left..
Then click on the channel you want to mess with automation on
Then you will see the devices along the left side and you can either edit the automation you’ve already made or automate something else
Okay, WoW, I feel really stupid now. Thank you very much, this was exactly what I was looking for.
Don't feel stupid. It's a tricky one. Indeed, the next version of NS will have WRITE (big red W) enabled for all tracks in the default project template. If you want this now, create a new project, enable W on all tracks and then save it to the templates folder as
default.prj.Is that a good idea? Doesn't mean that if you move the faders during playback every move will be recorded as automation? Or am I missing something?
only if you are in record mode
W switch just enables recordig of track automation IF you are in recording mode, not during normal playback.
As in recording MIDI/Audio?
I thought the way this kind of automation normally works is that enabling the W button records the automation (even if you are just in playback mode) and the R button toggles the automation on or off, at least that's how it normally works.
For example here is how it works in Auria, I'm pretty sure this is the standard way it works in most DAWs:
Yes, pressing write enables writing mixer automation to that track. But the rec button still needs to be pressed to actually write anything, just pressing play isn’t enough. This is the same as in Ableton Live at least, can’t really comment on other DAWs.
OK I guess it's just a different way of doing things (just a different convention). It seems kind of redundant though, because the whole point of the W button is to record the automation, so having to actually then press the main record button as well seems unnecessary.
it's different in various DAWs... dor example in Cubasis it works like @richardyot said, you don't need hit record itself, just "W" - which is in my opinion confusing because i would expect that until i don't explicitly hit "record" nothinh is recorded (midi, audio, automations)
In NS it's this way (nothing is recorded untí you really don't hit "record" - red "W" does same thing as arming for recording in track header in sequemcer)..
additionally when you hit record you see small red circle near all automatable params, and in case there is already recorded some automation this circle is filled..
i'm not 100% sure but i think in reaper it's same like Live (or NS)
Well I think once audio tracks arrive it's potentially going to be a real can of worms. If you have an audio track armed, and press record to record some automation, it's going to be a mess. That's why most DAWs do it the way Auria does it, just use the W button to record automation without needing to press the main record button as well.
I like the way it is set up currently: must press Rec before anything is recorded.
If I am not mistaken, having the track armed for recording automation by engaging ‘W’ is necessary for drawing in automation. I wouldn’t want audio tracks to start recording when I want to draw in some smiley faces over my MIDI tracks.
That's a real good point right there. I imagine we're going to have to explicitly arm audio tracks as well vs the "I'm open to it" way MIDI recording currently works.
I actually think I was dead wrong here, sorry. I think the plan is for default.prj to
Renabled by default so that drawn automation 'just works'. Sorry for the confusion!I thought R was supposed to automatically be turned on when an automation point was added to a track. This would be my preferred way to handle it.